Curse

mark_owens1234 · Jun 20, 2005, 06:05 AM // 06:05

Yeah. So I've been playing GW for about 2 weeks now, and in that time I have gotten my ranger to 20, gotten a max dmg storm bow with a 4/1 vamp mod, and a 27 life fort grip, and am wearing all end game armor. Now I am finding myself wondering... Why? Now that I'm 20, is the only point to playing is to acquire gear for pvp? I don't care about doing the tedious quests (run here, run there, gain some exp that you cannot level with).
They are constantly nerfing farming spots, so item hunting isn't any fun. Not to mention it is difficult to do it solo. And another note on items, there needs to be MORE! It is extremely easy to acquire forge armor, and that makes you just like every single other level 20. Nothing varies! The only variations are on runes, and anything over minors (excluding vigors) are worthless, due to the -health. Why is it that any expensive, cool upgrade has to have a negative effect that makes it lame? I.E. any vampiric upgrade. Woohoo, I popped one on my storm bow, and now I can't even run with it out, unless I want to be constantly healing myself. So there goes about 75% of the cool factor of storm bows. Weapons vary, but not by much. The variations on weapons once you get into higher priced items is hardly even noticeable, when one is actually out killing things. It has turned into a frenzy to see who can look the coolest. And what is with the matching armor only benefitting one element? Why would you want to buy a matching armor set, and have +60 armor to one element?
So playing past 20 would be beneficial to enhance your pvp character, but that brings up another mute point. PVP sucks! It is ridiculously boring... it lacks all of the aspects that make PVP in other games enjoyable. Limited trashtalking, and completely random opponents are an example. Who cares if you can beat a group of 4 people that the game randomly selects you to fight against? There is no bragging, rubbing in victories, etc. It is just boring. The gameplay stinks in pvp too, clicking on an opponent and hitting F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 is not something I look for in a game where I am challenging an opponent. Not to mention that most of your opponents will be equipped very similarly to you, and more varies on how strong of hits you randomly land than if your bow has 5% more damage over 50% health than the ranger in their groups. My personal opinion is that the only reason people play past 20 is because they have too much time invested in the game, and don't want to face the harsh reality that the game lacks fun.
Hell, I will even compare it to Diablo 2. One of the reasons that 50,000+ people STILL play diablo 2 is because of the items. Literally THOUSANDS of items exist, and the pvp is very entertaining. Not to mention the possibilities of building charcters to duel at different levels, which is impossible on GW due to the insta-20 pvp builds. Yeehaw! That is all.

Why did I spend fifty bucks and 74 hours playing this game?

EDIT: I won't even go into the subject of the rune trader.

Weezer_Blue · Jun 20, 2005, 06:21 AM // 06:21

1) You don't understand how armour works
2) If you don't want to look like every other idiot in Forge armour, buy more expensive stuff. Marhan's Grotto, Granite Citadel, The Underworld, or The Fissure of Woe. Have fun farming the materials.
3) Nice bow. If you're quitting, can I have it?
4) If not, try buying a Zealous Bow String to replace the Vampiric one. Sundering is good too.
5) Try doing some non-"Competitive Arenas" PvP. Or Team Arenas. Go to the Tombs, or do some GvG, where you can actually challenge certain guilds

chobo321321 · Jun 20, 2005, 06:27 AM // 06:27

I agree with the orginal poster, there are some things that just take the fun, and replay value out of this game once you hit lvl 20...

mark_owens1234 · Jun 20, 2005, 06:28 AM // 06:28

Thanks for proving my point, weezer blue, about the game being about looks. Who cares what your armor looks like, if it has the same stats? And please, explain to me how armor works. I seriously do want to know, I am curious. Also, tried the zealous bow string, the -1 regen sucked. No you cannot have the bow.

Tried GvG. Sucked. Just lacks the whole "exciting" aspect. We even won consecutively, but it was just boring.

I also love how you addressed a whopping two of the issues in my rant. Is nothing else wrong about the way I feel towards GW?

EDIT: I forgot to include in my original post that many of my "guildies" and friends have quit for the same reason.

Helios · Jun 20, 2005, 07:38 AM // 07:38

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Originally Posted by mark_owens1234

...many of my "guildies" and friends have quit for the same reason.

Maybe you should join them seeing how you hate this game so much.

mark_owens1234 · Jun 20, 2005, 07:44 AM // 07:44

I don't recall saying I hate the game. And, I have joined them.

βlitzkrieg · Jun 20, 2005, 07:48 AM // 07:48

This game isn't called 'Guild Wars' for nothing. Try it.

Eclair · Jun 20, 2005, 07:54 AM // 07:54

It seems you like to get better items than everyone else and gank people in pvp.

Might want to try WoW then =P

Zeru · Jun 20, 2005, 08:13 AM // 08:13

It's rather amusing seeing someone say GWs pvp is worse than other mmonrpgs out there. Apparently pvp that involves strategy, skill, and teamwork (if you can reach it) rather than ganking and farming for uber items to beat up on those that haven't grinded enough isn't good enough for some. You compared it to Diablo 2 pvp...D2 pvp is terrible; if you don't have really, really good items you're going to get screwed so badly it doesn't matter how good you are if they are semi-decent and do have those items. And the excess ganking especially with trap assassins really adds a lot of excitement and fun

Late game pve isn't good, yeah, oh well. There are other games which feature that aspect. Frankly if you don't want to play GW for skill-based pvp at least in the end and you want it to last, you're playing the wrong game.

d4nowar · Jun 20, 2005, 08:21 AM // 08:21

if i didn't hate your attitude, i'd tell you to play the game for more than two weeks, and to actually finish the game, not just get it to level 20. the majority of the game is after 20 anyway. and then i'd tell you the reason you hate storm bows is because you used it completely wrong. vamp strings go generally on short bows and half moons. why, you would ask if i didn't hate your attitude? well, if you played for longer than 2 weeks then you would know that some bows fire faster than others. did you also know that you can have different weapon sets? so you don't always have to be weilding your "sucky" storm bow? just a thought...

why do good items have drawbacks?
why aren't there good items everywhere you look?

... example "hey look i just found a super awesome bow of pwnage and i'm the only one ever that can find it and i can kill everything in one hit and nothing can touch me and i have low self esteem."

i think that just about clears that question up...

there is a reason to nerf farming spots. ever heard of diablo 2? yes, i think you have. have you ever wondered why diablo 2 turned into an SoJ economy(recently turned into a rune economy)? its because items are TOO EASY to find. you find gold in diablo 2 and its completely worthless.

i've never seen pressing 1,2,3,4,5 all in a row work... for any build of any character ever. that can't possibly work and the reason you hate the pvp is because you aren't good at it. you got lucky for your "consecutive wins" because your guildmates did all of the work for you.

you pretty much summed up in the first paragraph that you bought the game for the wrong reason. "Now that I'm 20, is the only point to playing is to acquire gear for pvp? I don't care about doing the tedious quests (run here, run there, gain some exp that you cannot level with)." Seeing as that is well over half of the game that you refuse to take part in... why bother buying it in the first place?

you just seem whiney to me, like this "i don't wanna pvp because i don't have super awesome ultimate weapons and i don't want to have to work to get stuff that makes me marginally better than someone else."

and

"i don't want to quest because questing takes up time and its really hard and i can't do it and it doesn't give me a really super awesome pwnage weapon that will kill everything in one hit and will make it so nothing can kill me. whine whine whine complain whine complain whine."

woo at least i didn't write my post in a brick wall of words.

Eclair · Jun 20, 2005, 08:22 AM // 08:22

Pre-LoD DII pvping was actually pretty good, because the best items were not that much better than the "good" items. However, with the introduction of LoD, PvPing went out the window.

dansamy · Jun 20, 2005, 08:29 AM // 08:29

D2:LoD had a whole "sub-culture" of super low level PvP. Level 9 players.

Weezer_Blue · Jun 20, 2005, 08:30 AM // 08:30

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Originally Posted by mark_owens1234

Thanks for proving my point, weezer blue, about the game being about looks. Who cares what your armor looks like, if it has the same stats? And please, explain to me how armor works. I seriously do want to know, I am curious. Also, tried the zealous bow string, the -1 regen sucked. No you cannot have the bow.

Tried GvG. Sucked. Just lacks the whole "exciting" aspect. We even won consecutively, but it was just boring.

I also love how you addressed a whopping two of the issues in my rant. Is nothing else wrong about the way I feel towards GW?

EDIT: I forgot to include in my original post that many of my "guildies" and friends have quit for the same reason.

Armour does not get lumped into a total thing. It is locational. If you aren't wearing a chest piece, but are wearing boots, gloves, etc., and you get hit in the chest (which is the most common area to get hit), you're screwed. So having all 4 elemental protections would just be sort of funny. "Yay! That lightning ele hit my boots! I live!" "crap! that fire ele hit my chest! I die".

As for addressing 2 points, I'm fed up with it as well. I didn't bother stating that I agree with you, because I'm lazy. There's too much grind which leads to PvP that gets really repetitive after you see your guild hall 50 times, and the HoH another 100. I thought that 40% content thing back during the beta applied to PvP content as well. Appearantly not.

As for looks vs stats on armour. It's supposed to keep it balanced, which is good.

mark_owens1234 · Jun 20, 2005, 09:22 AM // 09:22

Heh. Man, different weapon sets?! WOW! I hadn't noticed that... ( I hope you detect my hint of sarcasm). Well I apologize if I jumped the gun on giving up the game, but you know, I'm not a huge fan of playing a game for endless hours when I cannot improve my character. Now don't jump all over my for saying that, because I know you technically can "improve" your character. But by what margin? a minute amount of damage on a bow? I will take my time, and place it elsewhere. I know that myself, and many other people feel that the pvp in guild wars is weak. Take your teamwork and throw it out the window. It's a game. I don't want to wait until my "guildies" are on so I can rock out in some guild vs. guild battles, which don't mean a damn thing. I want some major room for expansion on my character. I want some larger rewards for the time I spend playing past 20. Make it worth it. I play a video game to have fun, and that is certainly not something that occurs with pvp on gw. On a side note, the level 9 dueling is called LLD, and I have been invloved in it for ages. As for the armor subject, I still think one of each piece would be the best. I would rather have a shot at the added armor when fighting each element, instead of being screwed when facing any element except for the type that my armor is.

Oh, and D4nowar, I don't recall saying anything about the game was "too hard". Quite the opposite, rather. And about the quests.... Yes, they do take up too much time. What is the point of doing them? so what if you progress through towns, you have nothing to show for it except bloodshot eyes and sweat stains on your mothers computer chair.

Porkchop Sandwhiches · Jun 20, 2005, 09:28 AM // 09:28

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Originally Posted by mark_owens1234

Why did I spend fifty bucks and 74 hours playing this game?

lol, and how quickly do you beat normal console or single player PC games. Ones that have a more definitive end than Guild Wars, even.

Edit: In my tired state of mind I meant that hey, you played 74 hours on a game that cost you $50, which is a lot longer than most. All online games do end eventually, you have to realize what it all comes down to is how long you keep playing it. It's not something that's suposed to last for decades or your life time.

Am I making sense? *falls asleep*

Dragonkin · Jun 20, 2005, 09:43 AM // 09:43

"you have nothing to show for it except bloodshot eyes and sweat stains on your mothers computer chair."

hehe. D:

Doctor Anomalo · Jun 20, 2005, 11:35 AM // 11:35

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Originally Posted by mark_owens1234

Who cares what your armor looks like, if it has the same stats?

you can just imagine this person in real life walking around wearing a paper bag because it's just as good as clothes.

Celes Tial · Jun 20, 2005, 12:20 PM // 12:20

People simply need to realize that when they buy a game called 'Guild Wars' it probably is about PvP in the first place. If you dont like PvP, you will not be playing for very long

To the OP: A lot of games have less entertainment value than 74 hours for 50 bucks. Some offline FPS games last a whopping 10 hours for the same price.

Celes Tial · Jun 20, 2005, 12:25 PM // 12:25

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Originally Posted by mark_owens1234

I know that myself, and many other people feel that the pvp in guild wars is weak. Take your teamwork and throw it out the window. It's a game. I don't want to wait until my "guildies" are on so I can rock out in some guild vs. guild battles, which don't mean a damn thing. (...) I play a video game to have fun, and that is certainly not something that occurs with pvp on gw.

Thank you, that is the most hilarious thing I have read in awhile.

Just a small hint, ever noticed that there are 3 forms of PvP that are not related to GvG at all? As for teamwork, it is not the game's fault that you and your buddies cannot work together as well as many others do.

Arothian · Jun 20, 2005, 12:26 PM // 12:26

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Originally Posted by Doctor Anomalo

you can just imagine this person in real life walking around wearing a paper bag because it's just as good as clothes.

Brilliant. Hence Dyes. Hence different combinations of different armor sets.
Sure, playing through the missions for a second time isn't all that exciting.

Yea, what other PC or Console game do you play for 70+ hours? KotoR 2 only takes about 20 hours at the most, you would have to play it 4 times through to equal the average play time of guild wars. You might say you can play KotoR 2 with different types of characters, well, you can play GW with different types of proffessions. Sure the content doesn't change, but neither does the KotoR2 universe besides some simple choices, still following the same general story line.